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Hmmm, Van Helsing - Corrosive Shame
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kneeshooter
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Hmmm, Van Helsing
So, quite a pleasant night out last night with berrega and quondam. Edwards is still a funny old club mind and doesn't seem to actually know what it's playing from hour to hour...

It's also nice to have a visit from berrega, whose characteristic honesty and bluntness is guaranteed to wind me up a little bit. This time it was in a relatively amusing way. So, in order to cover the area we discussed a little note - "Feel free to discuss my love life, or even form judgements based on it, but make sure you have the full facts. Ithankyou.".

This morning, as preparation for a run (self-motivation in the way that "If I don't keep running I might find myself in a life scripted by the same writer") I went to see Van Helsing. There's little to say that hasn't been said before, but while it was by no means a good script, and suffered rubber-cgi like Spiderman, the best bits were the "Carpathian Tourist Board" shots and I'm not even going to mention the cod-accents - it was an ok distraction for a couple of hours.

I was, again, moaned at for laughing "at" the atrociousness of the film rather than at the gags, but I guess it's just the way I am.

Run was good. must do more. Not too much more, but some more.
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From: snow_cvrd_heart Date: May 23rd, 2004 09:43 am (UTC) (Link)
"Feel free to discuss my love life, or even form judgements based on it, but make sure you have the full facts. Ithankyou.".

talking of which young man the "we'll have to do this again sometime" has yet to reoccur.. *nudge nudge hint hint*... didnt think i was THAT bad company .... or you waiting till after D day?!
kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: May 23rd, 2004 01:55 pm (UTC) (Link)
I was waiting until after D-Day - but can probably be persuaded into sooner. This week is terrible, but I'm sure we'll work something out soon.
From: snow_cvrd_heart Date: May 24th, 2004 12:47 am (UTC) (Link)
ahh well if this week is terrible it will have to be after D DAy then 131 hours to go.. (is that TOO sad?)...giggles.. im sure im ment to be more scared than I am .. i expect that will be friday!
ikkleblacktruck From: ikkleblacktruck Date: May 23rd, 2004 11:08 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm amazed at how many people don't get Van Helsing. I've read loads of similar comments to yours and rants from horror purists claiming the destruction of all that's holy, but enough views that match mine to know that I'm not going bonkers. Fabulous film, action from start to finish, pokes fun at the genre and itself in no small measure - and leagues ahead of the extraordinary gentlemen, which I had the misfortune to see last night.

I'm seriously looking forward to a sequel for Van Helsing.
kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: May 23rd, 2004 01:18 pm (UTC) (Link)
See, I get what you're saying, and if one chose to interpret it as highly ironical then I'd agree. Unfortunately I don't think it was, given the writer/director.

Maybe my comments were a little polarised. I laughed more than once...
ikkleblacktruck From: ikkleblacktruck Date: May 23rd, 2004 01:43 pm (UTC) (Link)
He did The Mummy! Don't you think that was in the same vein? They're all very Indiana Jones.
kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: May 23rd, 2004 01:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
You lose - you mentioned a George Lucas film first. That man clearly has no ideas of anything except lowest common denominator for mindless American clones.
ikkleblacktruck From: ikkleblacktruck Date: May 23rd, 2004 02:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
Sorry, I didn't realize it was a game. Nor do I think there's anything wrong with Indiana Jones, which was a collaborative effort with Spielberg, if I remember rightly - and Lucas made the original Star Wars, or is intellectual snobbery now the defining point of entertainment rather than good old-fashioned fun?
kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: May 23rd, 2004 02:17 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm not denying the fun - simply the depth of the movie. I agree that Indiana Jones, Star Wars etc. are great fun movies, but they are not pastiche or irony. They are grand, they are expressive and they are exciting. They are in some sense homage and tribute to 1930s pulp serials, but they brought some spark and originality.

They are not intelligent, allegorical satires or ironic interpretations - Van Helsing was less than those, a cliche given life. That was the point I was trying to make earlier.

Again, I'm not denying it was entertainment. I just don't get as enthusiastic.
ikkleblacktruck From: ikkleblacktruck Date: May 23rd, 2004 02:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
I thought that was my point, that it was a cliche given life, but on purpose. I don't remember claiming it had depth and I think the people who are disappointed with it are those whose expectations were too high when they went in.

I'm annoyed that so many people are dismissing it as a film because it wasn't stuffily serious and deep, rather than appreciating it for its entertainment value. Some part of me thinks that people have lost the plot where movies are concerned - especially if they think that bringing up George Lucas invalidates an opinion, somehow. Or that people who enjoy "fun movies" are therefore "less informed" and may be dismissed as irrelevant.
kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: May 23rd, 2004 03:02 pm (UTC) (Link)
My earlier point was that in order for me to have a higher opinion of the film that it needed to be more than just a cliche - it had to have something "more" than just a rehash - and that it didn't. Additionally I reference the writer/director because I think the Mummy was much the same. Enjoyable romps but not really doing anything "special" or being "smart".

Again, I think it was entertaining, just awfully unexceptional, and very average. George Lucas is, like many "big names" in need of people around him to say "No!" - what in Star Wars was exciting, new, and engaging is now an exercise in cgi - tools and techniques over story.

Plus it was a joke.

I don't think a "fun" movie is a bad movie - but I think there are a lot of lazy movies these days, which are neither fun nor good. Van Helsing, in my view, was fun but at the same time very lazy.

I like fun movies, I like serious movies, I don't like romantic comedies. To me these things are about taste, not about judging the audience. In most cases anyway.
ikkleblacktruck From: ikkleblacktruck Date: May 23rd, 2004 11:27 pm (UTC) (Link)
See I thought the effects were great (where too much CGI usually bores me), the relentless action was great and the cobbling together of multiple horror motifs which must have broken so many traditions was also great. Even the anachronistic script and acting delighted me. The acting was of a good standard, (I was amazed when I realized who the friar was), better than SW I & II IMO.

I appreciate that taste is the overriding factor and it may seem that all my missile swarms were aimed at you personally, but in fact they were a general spread.

I think Van Helsing was made that way on purpose to specific effect. I think a lot of people don't get it. I also don't think you can expect innovation in every film - and this one to me seemed to be a pastiche in homage to early horror, with a modern twist.
ikkleblacktruck From: ikkleblacktruck Date: May 23rd, 2004 11:35 pm (UTC) (Link)
PS. See this review and this thread for more support.
kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: May 23rd, 2004 11:37 pm (UTC) (Link)
The acting was of a good standard, (I was amazed when I realized who the friar was), better than SW I & II IMO.

Hardly difficult!
ikkleblacktruck From: ikkleblacktruck Date: May 24th, 2004 03:18 am (UTC) (Link)
So will you be bothering to go and see Lucas' next mindless production or would you be better off just staying at home?
kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: May 24th, 2004 03:39 am (UTC) (Link)
I'll be going!
sixtine From: sixtine Date: May 23rd, 2004 01:33 pm (UTC) (Link)
Can't believe that button still works.
kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: May 23rd, 2004 01:54 pm (UTC) (Link)
I know. It caught me on the hop, and I thought it might be someone who had an informed opinion. Then I discovered it wasn't.

Still, it's a public service announcement I've not made for a while.
ikkleblacktruck From: ikkleblacktruck Date: May 23rd, 2004 02:11 pm (UTC) (Link)
Button? Public service announcement?
yapman From: yapman Date: May 23rd, 2004 03:10 pm (UTC) (Link)
Having facts just interferes with the ability to make sweeping generalisations and make judgemental conclusions.
kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: May 23rd, 2004 03:11 pm (UTC) (Link)
Good point, well made.
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