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UPG - Corrosive Shame
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kneeshooter
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UPG
If any of you are (mis)fortunate to read UPG you'll see a massive ongoing row over photographs at Whitby. This amuses me for many reasons - primarily because I'm not in the firing line and I've had conversations about doing "press" shots at WGW in the past without any joy; and partly because of the package I just recieved in the post.

Some of you might remember In The Nursery who played Whitby in April this year. I was browsing their site a while back and noticed they didn't seem to be aware of my super photos. So, a quick email exchange and in return for use of my photos I have three CDs of their music.

Ok, so I'm betraying the NUJ by selling out my profession - but to me it's not a bad deal - Art for Art. Well, kind of anyway...

In other news, survived London, spent many hours doing photos and cleared 15GB of photos off my HD so I don't need to buy a new pair quite yet.

Here's a set of photos of Queen Adreena from a couple of months ago... (Click for the full set)

Queen Adreena

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duranorak From: duranorak Date: December 2nd, 2005 09:47 am (UTC) (Link)
I've not missed a post from you, have I? I'm not in any way nagging - your photos are worth waiting for - I just want to make certain I've not missed you putting up any more Modern shots. :)

E.
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kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: December 2nd, 2005 09:55 am (UTC) (Link)
Nope - I've still not posted any "sets" from the most recent Whitby. They're the last remaining shots in my backlog.

I'll make some progress this weekend hopefully.
gaius_octavian From: gaius_octavian Date: December 2nd, 2005 09:54 am (UTC) (Link)
Nah, it's not selling out, it's just not getting paid in cash. Very tax efficient, Patrick Lichfield was notorious for it :-)

What's the row about, godgirl was complaining on here that someone had put photos of her on a gallery where he was selling prints for 99p each. I tried to explain to her that no-one is making any sort of a profit or even close to breaking even at that price...
kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: December 2nd, 2005 10:00 am (UTC) (Link)
It started as a row about charging and misrepresentation - as peeebeee was involved somehow in giving/taking pictures for the Whitby Gazette - and some of the people he'd shot didn't know that.

Then Hester and Whisky Dave decided to exercise their typing skills and the rest of humanity lost interest. I think it got into photographer ethics or some such.
gaius_octavian From: gaius_octavian Date: December 2nd, 2005 10:08 am (UTC) (Link)
Truth is in this country in a public place you don't have the right not to be photographed for personal or editorial use. You can only stop someone using your image without your permission to imply that you endorse a product or service. Photographers are doing people a courtesy by asking at all... most of us do ask because we're nice people.

It's generally accepted in photojournalism that if there's any doubt, take the shot anyway and defer any ethical decisions to the picture editor, who can take the time to consider things objectively. In our cases, we mostly are our own editors but the principle still applies.
kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: December 2nd, 2005 10:12 am (UTC) (Link)
Absolutely. I made one post on the thread linking to a copyright resource, but apart from that stayed well clear.
davefish From: davefish Date: December 2nd, 2005 10:42 am (UTC) (Link)
Ah, but that isn't going to stop a good fight starting on UPG. There has been a couple about photobox accounts over the past few years. Its easiest to just stay out of them.
gaius_octavian From: gaius_octavian Date: December 2nd, 2005 10:53 am (UTC) (Link)
Problem with your goths is that in a lot of cases, vocally not wanting their photo taken is just an attention-seeking thing. All the time I hear it from people that I don't want to photograph anyway, yet they're always striking poses and moving into the background of my shots...
godgirl From: godgirl Date: December 2nd, 2005 07:23 pm (UTC) (Link)
hey all i objected to initially was that he'd not sent me a copy as i'd asked and instead was selling them (postage was like 2.99!) and that they were possibly going to be used in the gazette because he's not mentioned that at any point.

its all sorted, i just prefer people to let their intentions be a little more transparent before taking pics, and also on checking with the subjects if they later wish to use the pics in another context.

band pics etc are a little different, but if someone you considered a friend decided to not tell you they were putting the pics up on a sale only site (which he fixed once he knew how) or giving them to the press, wouldn't you feel your friendship had been betrayed?

hence i object to strangers taking photos of me, if i have no idea of their intentions.

plus, photos of me always look so damned awful!

:o(

if people took nice, flattering pics of me looking amzing i wouldnt mind them being all over the place!

:o)
trauma_pet From: trauma_pet Date: December 2nd, 2005 10:06 am (UTC) (Link)
great pics! I expect great things on Sunday:P
kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: December 2nd, 2005 10:14 am (UTC) (Link)
Thanks :-)

I am too - and we shall see!

Can I assume you've arranged with Frank for me to get in front of the security barrier into the photo-pit (assuming there is one!)? I know there isn't at his gigs normally but the Academy might be that organised - and have proper security staff.
trauma_pet From: trauma_pet Date: December 2nd, 2005 10:16 am (UTC) (Link)
I didn't think of that but I can't see that it would be a problem :)
kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: December 2nd, 2005 10:23 am (UTC) (Link)
It's worth being explicit with such things, in case there are passes to tell security it's ok to get past barriers.

I'm probably verging on paranoia though!
trauma_pet From: trauma_pet Date: December 2nd, 2005 10:25 am (UTC) (Link)
Don't worry Frank will be boss for the night and I've already explained to him about you so there will be no problems :)

just turn up early though (ie before the doors) you've got my number right?
kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: December 2nd, 2005 10:31 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm leaving Brum @ 3pm so should be there in plenty of time. And yes - any problems I've got your number.
trauma_pet From: trauma_pet Date: December 2nd, 2005 10:33 am (UTC) (Link)
Ok! If you can't find how to get in before official opening give me a ring or ask for Frank if I don't pick up (could be soundchecking or lacking a signal etc).
davefish From: davefish Date: December 2nd, 2005 10:43 am (UTC) (Link)
Yay! for CD's.
kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: December 2nd, 2005 10:44 am (UTC) (Link)
Capostrophe!
liquefactionist From: liquefactionist Date: December 2nd, 2005 10:49 am (UTC) (Link)
Excellent pictures as usual. Katie looks adorable as ever.
kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: December 2nd, 2005 10:53 am (UTC) (Link)
You just want to pick her up, take her home and put her in a little padded room...

Fantastically thought provoking post yesterday btw.
From: (Anonymous) Date: December 2nd, 2005 11:35 am (UTC) (Link)
A caged flower *sigh*!

Ta. Glad I managed to provoke thought. It's been banging around in my bonce for a couple of weeks now. I'd been finding it really hard to deal with, but now I can see we're doing something constructive I feel rather better. I still feel I could be doing more though.
liquefactionist From: liquefactionist Date: December 2nd, 2005 11:36 am (UTC) (Link)
That was from me, obviously I guess... LJ had seen fit to log me out.
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