?

Log in

No account? Create an account
What I say? Who knows me? What I said? What I am? disturbing.org.uk Previous Previous Next Next
Musings - Corrosive Shame
Therapy for Life
kneeshooter
kneeshooter
Musings
My photographic career continues to offend far and wide... now I've had my first request from a band "not to share photographs of them without their consent".

Perhaps they should have thought about that before I took them rather than after...

In other news, lovely night last night with the ladies of York (plus steer) and now I am at a dull conference in Newcastle. Proper update later when I finish writing it - though of course I should wait for Thursday as is tradition.

BBC coverage of Infest is up, to mixed response, and is linked from infest_uk.

Tags: , , ,

25 lies or Lie to me
Comments
(Deleted comment)
kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: October 4th, 2006 04:56 pm (UTC) (Link)
"I don't mind letting you know when I'm remember – and indeed I think you've got a pic in Alternative Mag (www.alternativemag.co.uk IIRC) – one of three they chose of Infest I think – but I can't check as I'm away this week.

However, I'm afraid that in general terms I'm not going to promise to give you any choice or control over distribution of pictures. I don't believe it's a practical or regional request. As s "public figure" and "performer" there are limitations on what you can expect. Certainly at an event like Infest there are no camera restrictions on what the public can bring into the venue it's unworkable as well as arguably unreasonable. From an "accredited photographer" perspective I signed an agreement that did not cover granting you those rights.

I suggest that if you do want more control over your image when performing that you consider insisting on these in written contracts in gigs – but I think you'll find that no editorial photographer will sign something that effectively hands over his or her rights to a third party (even if that third party is the subject) without being properly compensated. To be blunt, while acts like Metallica and The Darkness manage to insist on having their own photographer being the only one in the pit – I'd suggest you don't want to get to that position.

On the plus side I hope you appreciate that "any publicity is good publicity" and you're not going to lose sales over what you consider a dodgy photo – rather coverage in national websites and magazines is only going to increase the profile of yourself and your music."
kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: October 4th, 2006 04:58 pm (UTC) (Link)
Pasted, typos included. I'm particularly impressed by the substitution of "regional" for "reasonable". Bet you wouldn't have guessed I was at a "regional" conference when I was typing it!!
mister_ed From: mister_ed Date: October 4th, 2006 05:25 pm (UTC) (Link)
Perhaps you should stop photographing ugly bands then? ;)

(although we quite like your photographs.. so that just wouldn't do)
kantti From: kantti Date: October 4th, 2006 05:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
I did wonder what a regional request was. Now I know.
kissmeforlonger From: kissmeforlonger Date: October 4th, 2006 05:07 pm (UTC) (Link)
*wonders who*

It was good to see you last night.
kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: October 4th, 2006 05:11 pm (UTC) (Link)
And you. Was most relaxing and enjoyable.
ayrton_nix From: ayrton_nix Date: October 4th, 2006 05:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
Thank you for doing the washing up this morning petal. Hope the conference isn't too onerous.
kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: October 4th, 2006 05:12 pm (UTC) (Link)
Least I could do :-)

Thanks for having me.
steer From: steer Date: October 4th, 2006 05:37 pm (UTC) (Link)
Good to see you. It was a fun night.

Who the fuck are the band? Are the audience allowed to look at them during a gig? Honestly, get OVER yourselves.
kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: October 4th, 2006 06:10 pm (UTC) (Link)
Insekt played in the dark at Dark City. I have a couple of crap photos on my site if you can be bothered to look.

The band? Ask Kriss/Nicki :-)
asw909 From: asw909 Date: October 4th, 2006 06:46 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'd love to know too, as they might complain about the rest of us with photos of them too!

(Feel free to e-mail me? ;D)
steer From: steer Date: October 4th, 2006 08:42 pm (UTC) (Link)
By the way, that performance of metamorphosis you were talking about, could you remind me of the name of the theatre?
kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: October 4th, 2006 10:11 pm (UTC) (Link)
(Deleted comment)
steer From: steer Date: October 5th, 2006 10:08 am (UTC) (Link)
Bugger -- just noticed it finishes before I next go to London. Damn.
darkstones From: darkstones Date: October 4th, 2006 05:55 pm (UTC) (Link)
My understanding of UK copyright law was that as long as permission to take photos was granted, and subject to any special conditions of that permission, performer rights were only present in moving images rather than stills.

Of course the subject still has the usual rights for the images not to be used in a defamatory way.

The copyright laws vary from country to country, but if you're referring to a band complaining about your website, where there is no direct commercial aspect, I don't think they have much of a leg to stand on.



kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: October 4th, 2006 06:09 pm (UTC) (Link)
They're not quoting the law at me - and indeed your understanding agrees with mine.

I would like to sell some more prints though in the future and better check the actual legals. Anyone know a good lawyer?!
darkstones From: darkstones Date: October 4th, 2006 11:09 pm (UTC) (Link)
I take your point - there's what's legally possible and then again there's the risk of getting a bad name.

Mark dark_claw is pretty up on photo copyright law.

kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: October 5th, 2006 06:38 am (UTC) (Link)
That's useful to know. Can you do me an introduction by email?
darkstones From: darkstones Date: October 5th, 2006 09:13 am (UTC) (Link)
Done - I'll get back to you when I hear from him.
kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: October 5th, 2006 06:38 am (UTC) (Link)
That's useful to know. Can you do me an introduction by email?
keris From: keris Date: October 4th, 2006 08:35 pm (UTC) (Link)
BBC coverage of Infest is up, to mixed response

Wah, they don't like me! :(

Seeing as you linked to my LJ, I hope noone wanders by to tell me I smell...
kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: October 4th, 2006 10:05 pm (UTC) (Link)
You'll be fine :-P
keris From: keris Date: October 4th, 2006 10:15 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, I know :)
I just tend to get sidetracked very easily and worry about silly things when work gets hectic and stressy :)
25 lies or Lie to me