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Corrosive Shame
Therapy for Life
Ok, it didn't happen much, but I'm still so enthusiastic about actually winning a game of bowling that it's still on my mind. However, that was Tuesday and today is Friday so I could perhaps be a bit more current. This isn't helped by the fact I'm drinking too much coffee again. I blame quondam and her experiments.

Somewhat controversially I have to make an admission about the documentary on the BNP last night - having watched Nick Griffin sleaze his way through the Newsnight interview I find myself agreeing with some of the things he had to say. Underneath the racism, and the exaggeration he was actually highlighting a couple of important points. Firstly People are shit and secondly Religions encourage people not to get on, and start wars.

Other than that it was as distasteful as I expected. though my tolerance of documentary is perhaps floundering. These days the ones I watch on TV seem to be rather more designed to be "exciting" or "over the top" than "interesting" or "informing". Everything from Horizon to Panorama reflects tabloid journalism rather than the broadsheet aspirations of the good old days.

Of course this is one of the problems the BBC has. On one hand it has to be popular in order to "justify" the public funds, but on the other hand to fulfill the duty it has been charged with it it cannot be popular - the majority don't want to be informed, they want to be entertained; they don't want to learn, they want to vegetate on the sofa with a can of lager.

Me? I watch Kerrang TV - at least it delivers what it claims to.

Off to Manchester tonight - I'm informed that it's a nice place to visit. We shall see.

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From: feanelwa Date: July 16th, 2004 06:29 am (UTC) (Link)
Hmmm. I'd say it's more like "Having something that they care enough about to fight for encourages people to not get on and to start wars". Religious wars are often started by people who say they're defending a religion that preaches complete non-violence. If it wasn't religion, it would be land, or food, or a way of life. It could be said that if everybody did do nothing but sit around drinking lager, there would be no wars. But then they would all get horrible diseases and nobody would be able to treat them - apathy is nothing but war pointed at yourself. If I knew what the solution was, I'd be God.
kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: July 16th, 2004 06:34 am (UTC) (Link)
Back to People are shit then...

That's an interesting concept of apathy. I shall think about it some more then possibly declare a ceasefire and pack for the weekend :-)
steer From: steer Date: July 16th, 2004 06:29 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm informed that it's a nice place to visit.

Perhaps there are two Manchesters?
mr_flay From: mr_flay Date: July 16th, 2004 06:50 am (UTC) (Link)
There's a Manchester in New Hampshire. Maybe Simon is going abroad?
From: ikkleblacktruck Date: July 16th, 2004 06:35 am (UTC) (Link)
Wave as you go past.
From: deeply_spurious Date: July 16th, 2004 07:16 am (UTC) (Link)
By making it jailable to say certain things, the law plays into the hands of scum like Griffin by offering him the chance to play the role of oppressed martyr...

I did not think the BBC prog was great -too much emphasis upon legal side of things and not enough on the important point - which is the blatant contrast between the way the new BNP tries to present itself and the real views/actions of its members...

Nevertheless, I think the BBC prog did offer a significant public service because there was increasing evidence that people are starting to fall for Griffin's suits and ties... It is also notable that, consistent with the largely sensible media codes in this country, they then offered Griffin a substantial opportunity to put his side of the story...
kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: July 16th, 2004 07:23 am (UTC) (Link)
My worry with a lot of documentaries is that the message, valuable as it might be, suffers from being "edutainment". It's crass and detracting IMO. This documentary fell into that trap. It didn't distinguish between "Griffin's politics" and "people getting drunk in a pub". While the latter can often be indicative of underlying motives people exaggerate, play to the audience etc. which muddies the water IMO.

There's a lot of difference between someone bragging about getting the Anarchist's Cookbook and how they will make bombs than a "respectable politician" spreading hateful propaganda and I don't think the lack of distinction helped.
From: deeply_spurious Date: July 16th, 2004 07:28 am (UTC) (Link)
Yes I think that's probably fair criticism. The prog was not exactly nuanced and it did seek to entertain as well as inform. At the same time though, if through adopting that format, it manages to engage more people in serious debate about things which matter, then that has to be valuable - in spite of the weaknesses you identify. You may remember that only the other week I found myself arguing with someone who was convinced the BNP were the victims of a horrible leftist smear campaign and that they weren't really racists at all... I wonder if he was watching...
kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: July 16th, 2004 07:31 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm not convinced it will stimulate debate. Is not an argument as strong as it's weakest point at the stage where you are trying to engage people in it anew?

I blame Michael Moore. Again.
From: kingandy Date: July 16th, 2004 07:29 am (UTC) (Link)

but i know the truth

Cuh. Of course you have to pick the one weekend that I'm not there. It's almost enough to make me think you're not stalking me after all...
grendelchild From: grendelchild Date: July 16th, 2004 11:03 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: but i know the truth

Don't worry. He is...
nyarbaggytep From: nyarbaggytep Date: July 16th, 2004 08:03 pm (UTC) (Link)

Kerrang TV?

What does it claim to be then?
kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: July 18th, 2004 02:42 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Kerrang TV?

Some advertising interspersed with music videos.
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