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kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: November 8th, 2005 02:31 pm (UTC) (Link)
There's nothing confidential about a contract like this in my opinion - it's not commercially sensitive and is the type of thing that is regularly discussed. Unless I'm missing a reason? I took care to take off all the address information (which is equally public domain) and the phone numbers (which I wouldn't want to publish). Happy to take opinions though...

I know where you're coming from in the second half of your post. The difference between this and the example you give is that they "asked". Under the terms of this contract you have to give them your material. You effectively lose any control or choice in the matter. You can't use it for your own portfolio. If they want to make it into a poster and it sells thousands they do not even have to credit you.

It is flattering to be asked and pretty much every band that has asked me for stuff I send without a second thought - but this is plain rude. It's not even good business - after all they make unreasonable demands - and don't get coverage. Their choice.

Photographers, like all artists, should in my opinion have a right to have some control over their work and not be strong-armed into giving up that control.

Just to caveat - I think my stuff is good, but I know it's nothing special. I can't imagine they would want to use my stuff but there is a principle.

I've signed, as you have, releases in the past - but none of them have asked for the same conditions as this one. In fact, I've shot Sanctuary artists before without similar problems.
blackvelvetmag From: blackvelvetmag Date: November 8th, 2005 02:45 pm (UTC) (Link)
Hm, ok. Well I just personally wouldn't print a full contract out for others to read when it's between you and someone else.

Do you definitely have to send them all photos regardless of whether they ask for them or not? I was under the impression that 1.5 meant that if they request pix then you'd send them to them. Although I think last time I emailed them the 20 photos I had used on my page, for them to see and check they were ok with those being on the site, and that was all. I didn't send them every photo I'd taken and I wasn't asked to send more.
kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: November 8th, 2005 02:51 pm (UTC) (Link)
First point taken.

You're reading all I've been sent. They do have to "ask" for them; and of course they probably never would. But, as has been pointed out above, they might ask for them as "A4 prints" or something equally silly that is actually within the terms of the contract.

It's really 2 and 3 that annoy me the most though. Sending jpegs by email is hardly a chore and I would have done anyway.

I would hate that this kind of contract become normal though - that thought terrifies me. Of course each photographer is happy to work under whatever conditions they wish - and many will no doubt be happy with this.
46 lies or Lie to me