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blackvelvetmag From: blackvelvetmag Date: November 8th, 2005 03:28 pm (UTC) (Link)
But if you don't want to do it for nothing then you just don't. Simple as. If you're into being paid a decent wage for photos then just go to a different gig where you'll be paid. If you do get paid a wage for the photos then this won't come into it as you'll be being paid by who you're taking the photos for anyway. Giving the photos over to a band's management once in a blue moon is not really going to make much difference, I don't think. If you're a pro photographer then surely one gig - that you were only considering anyway - is not going to really make much difference.
kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: November 8th, 2005 03:34 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'll let Dave come back if he wants - and yes - you're right. In this case the decision was made for me. The contract needed to be signed by the publication, not by me, and they declined to do so because of the content.

We've got slightly different attitudes still - and yours is probably more sensible - over giving photos to management - you're happy to; I'm happy to when I have a choice. But I often get stuck on points of principle. It's a defining characteristic.

You're in a special situation in some ways too - your fine magazine is your portfolio; my portfolio and any publications are separate.

blackvelvetmag From: blackvelvetmag Date: November 9th, 2005 12:52 am (UTC) (Link)
Oh well that's a bummer that you didn't end up going. Didn't realise you wouldn't have the choice yourself and the publication would have to sign. There were quite a lot of us in the photopit. I didn't count but I'd say at least 8. I can see your point about your portfolio being separate. I guess you don't get to show off too much of your work when working for someone else, so that's where your own site comes in handy.
kneeshooter From: kneeshooter Date: November 9th, 2005 06:44 am (UTC) (Link)
C'est la vie. Glad to read it sounded like fun anyway.

I wasn't terribly worried as it gave me a chance to play catch-up and I wasn't especially worried about seeing the bands.

Look forward to seeing your pics, as ever!
davefish From: davefish Date: November 8th, 2005 03:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
I've done plenty of shots essentially for free. Giving stuff over to people. Giving stuff over to some big buisness however, I don't think much of that as a plan.

If I was a taxi driver and took some people to a party, and then I am not likely to take some people coming out of the party home for free (It might not be that far out of my way even)

What if I am being paid, and just like the reply below I lose that evenings pay because my publisher doesn't like those conditions (Which I wouldn't be suprised at.)

As for that pound for sending them images, if you look at the National Union of Journalists recommended digital fees, that should be more like 20 quid for up to 10 images.

Contracts such as those, if they do become commonplace, will be massively bad news for professional photographers, and the only way to stop that would be to say no.
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