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mimeticgel From: mimeticgel Date: November 26th, 2003 11:58 pm (UTC) (Link)
Personally I blame the system not the people. They probably would get less income if they actually got jobs and are therefore trapped into a life of support. Still £37.5k for 2 adults & 8 kids is not a lot of money. Compared with the others the rate per child per year appears to be £1.7k or £20/week. Looking after eight kids and working would be quite a task.

Are we, as a society, at the stage where we want to start penalising people for having excessive numbers of children? And if so what is an acceptable number?
From: ikkleblacktruck Date: November 27th, 2003 04:00 am (UTC) (Link)
People should not have children unless they can afford them. I also strongly think the mother should stay at home and look after them - if you need a dual income to have a child, you shouldn't be having one, IMO.
littleonions From: littleonions Date: November 27th, 2003 06:34 am (UTC) (Link)

Given that logic...

We be short of a helluv a lot of the great and good in society, quite a few philosophers, writers, artists, doctors, etc, were born into extreme poverty.
From: ikkleblacktruck Date: November 27th, 2003 08:52 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Given that logic...

That ties in nicely with the current outrage over University top-up fees and alternative proposed solutions. Should the state prop up members of society who choose to fritter their years away studying ultimately useless liberal arts degrees?
littleonions From: littleonions Date: November 27th, 2003 11:01 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Given that logic...

hmm, good question, firstly I think there should be parity between funding of students in Britain, however its done,the current situation seems a bit unfair.

I think peeps should pay for their higher education, when they can afford to, generally after they have passed and are working.
Its not quite on the same level as paying taxes to feed and clothe the vulnerable in society.
From: ikkleblacktruck Date: November 27th, 2003 01:33 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Given that logic...

This is one area I actually haven't made my mind up on (gasp). As a full-grant student from a welfare background who studied Latin for four years and didn't even pass, choosing instead to get married and contribute nothing more to society than an extra citizen, I suppose I should empathize with Arts students from poor backgrounds. Yet the logic of "useful" degrees being more important and worthy of state funding does not escape me.

Part of me feels strongly that higher education should be free for all those that qualify - ie, the top 5%, not the current mess. A degree means nothing when everyone has one. Was a time when having it alone was enough to get you a top-flight job; nowadays more and more companies are looking at what the subject was before extending the hand of welcome.

I don't like the idea of starting one's working life several thousand pounds in debt either - theoretically, degree-holders should be contributing more than their fair share back to the state by means of the higher rate tax band, more VAT etc.

Dunno. I'd have to spend rather more time on the issue than I am probably willing to commit, especially with the release of KotOR and HotU so close.
esrunkatsu From: esrunkatsu Date: November 27th, 2003 07:39 am (UTC) (Link)

mothers

why should *mothers* have to stay home as opposed to fathers or other relatives?

I have no intention of staying home when i have kids, but i see no problem with a stay home dad.

Most families need more than one income these days - their only other option is state benefits, and I'd rather one parent worked f/t and one p/t.
From: ikkleblacktruck Date: November 27th, 2003 08:48 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: mothers

Mothers have a better bond and more instinctive knowledge. It has the added benefit of freeing up more jobs for men, who seem to have more of a deep-seated need to be able to provide, as well.

I'm not sure that most families need more than one income, unless they are living above their means anyway.
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